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		<title>By: Making music an itch you can 39 t quite scratch Bigmouth Strikes Again &#124; Weak Bladder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Making music an itch you can 39 t quite scratch Bigmouth Strikes Again &#124; Weak Bladder</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Making music an itch you can 39 t quite scratch Bigmouth Strikes Again   Posted by root 4 hours ago (http://www.bigmouthstrikesagain.com)        Incidentally i really want to talk about tony comment the we 39 re defining the terms but i 39 m swamped well ok ish downed it and drove home with a very full bladder powered by wordpress wp premium theme by wp remix        Discuss&#160;  &#124;&#160; Bury &#124;&#160;    News &#124; Making music an itch you can 39 t quite scratch Bigmouth Strikes Again [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://www.bigmouthstrikesagain.com/archives/1127/comment-page-1#comment-4997</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was OK in the end.  Well, OK-ish.  Downed it and drove home with a very full bladder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was OK in the end.  Well, OK-ish.  Downed it and drove home with a very full bladder.</p>
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		<title>By: mupwangle</title>
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		<dc:creator>mupwangle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought all diet-coke dilemmas involved how to get some inappropriately dressed bloke to flex his muscles at successful career women.  You live and learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought all diet-coke dilemmas involved how to get some inappropriately dressed bloke to flex his muscles at successful career women.  You live and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you solve your dilemma, or did you sit there all night paralysed with indecision?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you solve your dilemma, or did you sit there all night paralysed with indecision?</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my God.  It&#039;s 5:30, time to go home, but my can of Diet Coke is still nearly full.  What the Hell am I supposed to do now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my God.  It&#8217;s 5:30, time to go home, but my can of Diet Coke is still nearly full.  What the Hell am I supposed to do now?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but I think this period is more interesting than just a &quot;music was better in our day&quot; generation gap and that&#039;s not what I&#039;m getting at. I&#039;m sure the baby boom is partly responsible - basically you&#039;ve got a situation now where the financial power in the music business is largely in 50 quid bloke, The Dads rather than The Kids, you&#039;ve got yer Dylans and your Stones still kicking around and making new music (irrespective of what you think of that music) and so on. Music used to be something you grew out of, one of the childish things you put away when you grew up. But now, we simply refuse to grow up. I think that&#039;s fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but I think this period is more interesting than just a &#8220;music was better in our day&#8221; generation gap and that&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m getting at. I&#8217;m sure the baby boom is partly responsible &#8211; basically you&#8217;ve got a situation now where the financial power in the music business is largely in 50 quid bloke, The Dads rather than The Kids, you&#8217;ve got yer Dylans and your Stones still kicking around and making new music (irrespective of what you think of that music) and so on. Music used to be something you grew out of, one of the childish things you put away when you grew up. But now, we simply refuse to grow up. I think that&#8217;s fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&gt; our generation is still defining the terms, because for the first time the cool list is growing old and continuing to make music which, in many cases, kicks the arse of the stuff made by younger acts.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not disagreeing, but hasn&#039;t every previous generation said the same thing?  Of course, they were wrong and we&#039;re right, but how do we actually go about proving that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&gt; our generation is still defining the terms, because for the first time the cool list is growing old and continuing to make music which, in many cases, kicks the arse of the stuff made by younger acts.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not disagreeing, but hasn&#8217;t every previous generation said the same thing?  Of course, they were wrong and we&#8217;re right, but how do we actually go about proving that?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Kiernan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every now and again I think about trying to make music again.  But, tbh, I don&#039;t really think I&#039;ve got it in me anymore.  I seem to have lost the muse.  I think I miss it, hard to say.

I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anthonyqkiernan.net/?p=263#more-263&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recently&lt;/a&gt; caught two bands I&#039;d never heard of because I was in a strange-ish town with nothing better to be doing.  One were incredibly young kids making perky leftfield pop and brilliant.  The other were in their thirties doing brooding alt.country and also excellent.  TBH had the ages been swapped around, I suspect that neither band would&#039;ve seemed quite right.  (specific to those bands, not the type of music.)  So, why can&#039;t we all just get along - age be damned.

Of course, I&#039;m looking forward to the next bunch of 10 year olds making music that sounds like 80 year olds I stumble across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every now and again I think about trying to make music again.  But, tbh, I don&#8217;t really think I&#8217;ve got it in me anymore.  I seem to have lost the muse.  I think I miss it, hard to say.</p>
<p>I <a href="http://www.anthonyqkiernan.net/?p=263#more-263" rel="nofollow">recently</a> caught two bands I&#8217;d never heard of because I was in a strange-ish town with nothing better to be doing.  One were incredibly young kids making perky leftfield pop and brilliant.  The other were in their thirties doing brooding alt.country and also excellent.  TBH had the ages been swapped around, I suspect that neither band would&#8217;ve seemed quite right.  (specific to those bands, not the type of music.)  So, why can&#8217;t we all just get along &#8211; age be damned.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m looking forward to the next bunch of 10 year olds making music that sounds like 80 year olds I stumble across.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, I really want to talk about Tony&#039;s comment - the &quot;we&#039;re defining the terms&quot; - but I&#039;m swamped just now and can&#039;t say anything sensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I really want to talk about Tony&#8217;s comment &#8211; the &#8220;we&#8217;re defining the terms&#8221; &#8211; but I&#8217;m swamped just now and can&#8217;t say anything sensible.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think to make music for yourself, you’ve got to be quite Buddhist about it. Never even consider, far less worry, what other people will think of it.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, absolutely. You can&#039;t predict what people will like and it&#039;s pointless to even try. You&#039;d just end up making stuff that doesn&#039;t do it for you, and that doesn&#039;t do it for anybody else either. Much better to do stuff that you&#039;re pleased with, even if you&#039;ll decide it&#039;s crap ten minutes later.

Professor Batty: I think surf music&#039;s probably one of the most entertaining kinds of music to play :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think to make music for yourself, you’ve got to be quite Buddhist about it. Never even consider, far less worry, what other people will think of it.</i></p>
<p>Oh, absolutely. You can&#8217;t predict what people will like and it&#8217;s pointless to even try. You&#8217;d just end up making stuff that doesn&#8217;t do it for you, and that doesn&#8217;t do it for anybody else either. Much better to do stuff that you&#8217;re pleased with, even if you&#8217;ll decide it&#8217;s crap ten minutes later.</p>
<p>Professor Batty: I think surf music&#8217;s probably one of the most entertaining kinds of music to play :)</p>
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		<title>By: McGazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.

I still make music, you know. The band ended when I left Scotland, but I think we were at our peak, and it would have been downhill from there. We got to play with The Fall, and the last CD we did was fantastic - I&#039;m not sure we could have bettered either of those things. I think I might have got bored with it and forced MLG to do an industrial album, or demanded we get a string section, or something stupid like that.

Like yourself, I like pissing about at home with computers. That&#039;s how I started making music. An awful lot of the stuff I start never gets finished, because there comes a point about halfway through, where I can tell what it&#039;s going to sound like when it&#039;s finished, so there&#039;s no need to actually do it.

As for playing live - I find I&#039;m indifferent about it. I loved gigging, and can honestly say I never had stage fright. But these days I&#039;m making music that can&#039;t be played live, and don&#039;t feel the need to do it (despite being asked to now and again).

You&#039;re right about life getting in the way as well. The best stuff I ever did was put together in a few weeks just before I left Glasgow, when I was living on my own with no money, no job, and tons of time on my hands. For once the music came out like it sounded in my head. But there&#039;s no way I&#039;ll ever be that focused again.

I think to make music for yourself, you&#039;ve got to be quite Buddhist about it. Never even consider, far less worry, what other people will think of it. The Residents had it right with their &quot;Theory of Obscurity&quot;. The pop star thing isn&#039;t an issue, because I gave up on that *very* early on. Each and every experience I had with &quot;the industry&quot;, no matter how tangential, left a bad taste in the mouth. I&#039;m no salesman, and promoting my music was my equivalent to your stage fright. I found it easier to promote other people&#039;s. My own website is so unpromoted, even I forget it&#039;s there sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.</p>
<p>I still make music, you know. The band ended when I left Scotland, but I think we were at our peak, and it would have been downhill from there. We got to play with The Fall, and the last CD we did was fantastic &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure we could have bettered either of those things. I think I might have got bored with it and forced MLG to do an industrial album, or demanded we get a string section, or something stupid like that.</p>
<p>Like yourself, I like pissing about at home with computers. That&#8217;s how I started making music. An awful lot of the stuff I start never gets finished, because there comes a point about halfway through, where I can tell what it&#8217;s going to sound like when it&#8217;s finished, so there&#8217;s no need to actually do it.</p>
<p>As for playing live &#8211; I find I&#8217;m indifferent about it. I loved gigging, and can honestly say I never had stage fright. But these days I&#8217;m making music that can&#8217;t be played live, and don&#8217;t feel the need to do it (despite being asked to now and again).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about life getting in the way as well. The best stuff I ever did was put together in a few weeks just before I left Glasgow, when I was living on my own with no money, no job, and tons of time on my hands. For once the music came out like it sounded in my head. But there&#8217;s no way I&#8217;ll ever be that focused again.</p>
<p>I think to make music for yourself, you&#8217;ve got to be quite Buddhist about it. Never even consider, far less worry, what other people will think of it. The Residents had it right with their &#8220;Theory of Obscurity&#8221;. The pop star thing isn&#8217;t an issue, because I gave up on that *very* early on. Each and every experience I had with &#8220;the industry&#8221;, no matter how tangential, left a bad taste in the mouth. I&#8217;m no salesman, and promoting my music was my equivalent to your stage fright. I found it easier to promote other people&#8217;s. My own website is so unpromoted, even I forget it&#8217;s there sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Batty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Batty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Gary.  Being more than a little older than you (my first band played Surf Music- when it was on the charts!), and having gone through a variety of roles in the music biz, I can certainly empathize with your &quot;itch&quot;.   The joy of connecting to a group of people in a band and to an audience is as close to making love with a crowd as is humanly possible.  When you get to that state, repeatedly, is does become an addiction- and very similar to the adrenaline response to nicotine.  You&#039;re absolutely right, it is a crap life.  Parenthood has its joys, but they are always mitigated with responsibility.  Of course, I&#039;m going to play with some old school chums this week-end, I guess I&#039;m still scratching too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Gary.  Being more than a little older than you (my first band played Surf Music- when it was on the charts!), and having gone through a variety of roles in the music biz, I can certainly empathize with your &#8220;itch&#8221;.   The joy of connecting to a group of people in a band and to an audience is as close to making love with a crowd as is humanly possible.  When you get to that state, repeatedly, is does become an addiction- and very similar to the adrenaline response to nicotine.  You&#8217;re absolutely right, it is a crap life.  Parenthood has its joys, but they are always mitigated with responsibility.  Of course, I&#8217;m going to play with some old school chums this week-end, I guess I&#8217;m still scratching too&#8230;</p>
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