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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://www.bigmouthstrikesagain.com/archives/1089/comment-page-1#comment-4810</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, she can still use the title &quot;Doctor&quot; -- the ASA aren&#039;t some sort of academic qualification enforcement body.  She just can&#039;t use it when selling things.  I suspect that there&#039;s now going to be a bit of wrangling over what does and what does not constitute selling.  The Channel 4 show is arguably a product, or at least its advertising slots are.  (She could probably switch to the BBC and call herself &quot;Doctor&quot;.)  Domain names are trickier.  She can probably keep it and cover it in stuff that doesn&#039;t directly mention her own products but still enhances her pseudo-academic reputation.

What we need to hope is that the ASA ruling is the first small step towards proper regulation of academic titles.  Well, not regulation -- they&#039;re already regulated -- but enforcement of those regulations and punishment of those who breach them.

Can&#039;t remember where I saw it, but someone made the interesting point that most GPs don&#039;t have PhDs but are allowed to use the title &quot;Doctor&quot; as long as they&#039;re practising -- it&#039;s a job title.  Some doctors have actual PhDs, so can call themselves &quot;Doctor&quot; regardless of whether they&#039;re practicing.  You&#039;re supposed to use the title to indicate that you once got a doctorate or that you are currently a medical doctor, but not because you were once a medical doctor.  Therefore, Lord Owen was taking the piss when he used to call himself &quot;Dr David Owen&quot; before he got the lordship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, she can still use the title &#8220;Doctor&#8221; &#8212; the ASA aren&#8217;t some sort of academic qualification enforcement body.  She just can&#8217;t use it when selling things.  I suspect that there&#8217;s now going to be a bit of wrangling over what does and what does not constitute selling.  The Channel 4 show is arguably a product, or at least its advertising slots are.  (She could probably switch to the BBC and call herself &#8220;Doctor&#8221;.)  Domain names are trickier.  She can probably keep it and cover it in stuff that doesn&#8217;t directly mention her own products but still enhances her pseudo-academic reputation.</p>
<p>What we need to hope is that the ASA ruling is the first small step towards proper regulation of academic titles.  Well, not regulation &#8212; they&#8217;re already regulated &#8212; but enforcement of those regulations and punishment of those who breach them.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t remember where I saw it, but someone made the interesting point that most GPs don&#8217;t have PhDs but are allowed to use the title &#8220;Doctor&#8221; as long as they&#8217;re practising &#8212; it&#8217;s a job title.  Some doctors have actual PhDs, so can call themselves &#8220;Doctor&#8221; regardless of whether they&#8217;re practicing.  You&#8217;re supposed to use the title to indicate that you once got a doctorate or that you are currently a medical doctor, but not because you were once a medical doctor.  Therefore, Lord Owen was taking the piss when he used to call himself &#8220;Dr David Owen&#8221; before he got the lordship.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlton</title>
		<link>http://www.bigmouthstrikesagain.com/archives/1089/comment-page-1#comment-4809</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, I just can&#039;t leave this story alone. It&#039;s just occurred to me that she&#039;s going to need a new domain name now she can&#039;t use the DR bit. Also how many times do the words &quot;Dr Gillian McKieth&quot; appear on her homepage - now that&#039;s keyword loading at its best. Pfft
http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I just can&#8217;t leave this story alone. It&#8217;s just occurred to me that she&#8217;s going to need a new domain name now she can&#8217;t use the DR bit. Also how many times do the words &#8220;Dr Gillian McKieth&#8221; appear on her homepage &#8211; now that&#8217;s keyword loading at its best. Pfft<br />
<a href="http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.bigmouthstrikesagain.com/archives/1089/comment-page-1#comment-4800</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another reason to love the b3tans :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another reason to love the b3tans :)</p>
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		<title>By: Carlton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, B3ta have got the, er, bit between their teeth...
http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/gillian_mckeith/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, B3ta have got the, er, bit between their teeth&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/gillian_mckeith/" rel="nofollow">http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/gillian_mckeith/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://www.bigmouthstrikesagain.com/archives/1089/comment-page-1#comment-4788</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&gt; Especially if you don’t know how to cook &lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but, again, that&#039;s personal choice.  Cook books are cheap and last for decades.  Poor people have access to television, which is full of cookery programs.

&lt;i&gt;&gt; Where you live affects what you can buy - there’s a big difference between the food ranges in the Summerston and Bearsden ASDAs, for example&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;ve got the cause and effect back-to-front.  The supermarkets have no interest in refusing to sell any particular goods to poor people -- they&#039;d rather sell as much as possible, obviously, especially the expensive luxurious things like vanilla pods and saffron and hand-carved sheep&#039;s-cheese sculptures.  The reason they don&#039;t sell certain things in certain areas is that no-one buys them.  Because they don&#039;t want them.  Again, personal choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&gt; Especially if you don’t know how to cook </i></p>
<p>Yes, but, again, that&#8217;s personal choice.  Cook books are cheap and last for decades.  Poor people have access to television, which is full of cookery programs.</p>
<p><i>&gt; Where you live affects what you can buy &#8211; there’s a big difference between the food ranges in the Summerston and Bearsden ASDAs, for example</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got the cause and effect back-to-front.  The supermarkets have no interest in refusing to sell any particular goods to poor people &#8212; they&#8217;d rather sell as much as possible, obviously, especially the expensive luxurious things like vanilla pods and saffron and hand-carved sheep&#8217;s-cheese sculptures.  The reason they don&#8217;t sell certain things in certain areas is that no-one buys them.  Because they don&#8217;t want them.  Again, personal choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Chicken nuggets are not a cheap version of roast chicken; they are a different choice of meal.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, I agree with that. But if you&#039;re comparing a healthy meal made of fresh ingredients with an unhealthy one that&#039;s a load of mechanically recovered crap, the latter is easier and cheaper. Especially if you don&#039;t know how to cook - which, apparently, is increasingly common across all socioeconomic groups. 

Going back to my earlier comment, all these things are part of a bigger picture. Where you live affects what you can buy - there&#039;s a big difference between the food ranges in the Summerston and Bearsden ASDAs, for example, and the only supermarkets in some of the really rough bits are Lidls and Icelands - and certainly in the latter, it&#039;s pretty much all processed crap. Your attitude to food, nutrition and cooking depends on education to an extent; your attitude to cigs and booze is shaped by your family, your peers and your day to day circumstances, etc etc etc.

I agree that if all else were equal, being unhealthy is simply a matter of choice. But I don&#039;t thing all else *is* equal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Chicken nuggets are not a cheap version of roast chicken; they are a different choice of meal.</i></p>
<p>Oh, I agree with that. But if you&#8217;re comparing a healthy meal made of fresh ingredients with an unhealthy one that&#8217;s a load of mechanically recovered crap, the latter is easier and cheaper. Especially if you don&#8217;t know how to cook &#8211; which, apparently, is increasingly common across all socioeconomic groups. </p>
<p>Going back to my earlier comment, all these things are part of a bigger picture. Where you live affects what you can buy &#8211; there&#8217;s a big difference between the food ranges in the Summerston and Bearsden ASDAs, for example, and the only supermarkets in some of the really rough bits are Lidls and Icelands &#8211; and certainly in the latter, it&#8217;s pretty much all processed crap. Your attitude to food, nutrition and cooking depends on education to an extent; your attitude to cigs and booze is shaped by your family, your peers and your day to day circumstances, etc etc etc.</p>
<p>I agree that if all else were equal, being unhealthy is simply a matter of choice. But I don&#8217;t thing all else *is* equal.</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://www.bigmouthstrikesagain.com/archives/1089/comment-page-1#comment-4786</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&gt; I’m just demonstrating that shite food’s often cheaper than fresh.&lt;/i&gt;

But you&#039;re not comparing like with like, so I can prove you wrong by pointing out that a grape is cheaper than a Bic Mac.  Chicken nuggets are not a cheap version of roast chicken; they are a different choice of meal. 

Depending on your toppings, frozen pizza is not cheaper than home-made pizza.  (Tin of tomatoes: 30p; flour and yeast: cheap as buttons; a block of cheese: about 2 quid; and that&#039;ll make the equivalent of about eight 50p frozen pizzas, with enough flour left over to do it all over again three or four times and enough yeast left over to last you a month.)

You may have a bit of a point about about chips, but my point is this: which oven chips are poor people buying?  Tesco value?  Not as a rule, no.  They tend not to buy the cheapest; they buy the ones they like.  Because they like them.  Cut the cost of fresh spuds by 80%, and they&#039;d still buy the oven chips.  And good for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&gt; I’m just demonstrating that shite food’s often cheaper than fresh.</i></p>
<p>But you&#8217;re not comparing like with like, so I can prove you wrong by pointing out that a grape is cheaper than a Bic Mac.  Chicken nuggets are not a cheap version of roast chicken; they are a different choice of meal. </p>
<p>Depending on your toppings, frozen pizza is not cheaper than home-made pizza.  (Tin of tomatoes: 30p; flour and yeast: cheap as buttons; a block of cheese: about 2 quid; and that&#8217;ll make the equivalent of about eight 50p frozen pizzas, with enough flour left over to do it all over again three or four times and enough yeast left over to last you a month.)</p>
<p>You may have a bit of a point about about chips, but my point is this: which oven chips are poor people buying?  Tesco value?  Not as a rule, no.  They tend not to buy the cheapest; they buy the ones they like.  Because they like them.  Cut the cost of fresh spuds by 80%, and they&#8217;d still buy the oven chips.  And good for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if cash is a factor. Look at the other things you mentioned: smoking, drinking. Also very expensive, due to taxes etc, yet as you say, disproportionately consumed by the lower socio-economic groups. And then there&#039;s the lottery. I think even if good food were subsidised by the Government (as, eg, brown bread is in South Africa) it wouldn&#039;t help. In fact some people would probably avoid it even more, because of the stigma of poverty.

I think that it&#039;s part and parcel of an entitlement culture, which places a high value on appearance and immediate gratification. Let&#039;s face it, if a lot of these people could make sensible trade-offs like buying cheap healthy food even though it takes longer to prepare and doesn&#039;t have an attached marketing lifestyle, they would be making better life choices in other areas as well, and wouldn&#039;t be &quot;disadvantaged&quot; in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if cash is a factor. Look at the other things you mentioned: smoking, drinking. Also very expensive, due to taxes etc, yet as you say, disproportionately consumed by the lower socio-economic groups. And then there&#8217;s the lottery. I think even if good food were subsidised by the Government (as, eg, brown bread is in South Africa) it wouldn&#8217;t help. In fact some people would probably avoid it even more, because of the stigma of poverty.</p>
<p>I think that it&#8217;s part and parcel of an entitlement culture, which places a high value on appearance and immediate gratification. Let&#8217;s face it, if a lot of these people could make sensible trade-offs like buying cheap healthy food even though it takes longer to prepare and doesn&#8217;t have an attached marketing lifestyle, they would be making better life choices in other areas as well, and wouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;disadvantaged&#8221; in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: tm</title>
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		<dc:creator>tm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I don’t agree - I don’t think it’s all ready meals or takeaways;

I agree with gary and I have to say in my (admittedly quite limited) experience buying fresh fruit for example is a compartively expensive business, even without the Organic markup on much of it.

Another example is decent bread.  I like brown bread.  The more interesting bits in it the better as far as I&#039;m concerned.  But these loaves can often cost three or four times as much as an artifically square, whiter than bleach number with barely any crusts on it does.  For someone with a family and little cash that is going to make a big difference eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I don’t agree &#8211; I don’t think it’s all ready meals or takeaways;</p>
<p>I agree with gary and I have to say in my (admittedly quite limited) experience buying fresh fruit for example is a compartively expensive business, even without the Organic markup on much of it.</p>
<p>Another example is decent bread.  I like brown bread.  The more interesting bits in it the better as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  But these loaves can often cost three or four times as much as an artifically square, whiter than bleach number with barely any crusts on it does.  For someone with a family and little cash that is going to make a big difference eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just demonstrating that shite food&#039;s often cheaper than fresh. Tasty too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just demonstrating that shite food&#8217;s often cheaper than fresh. Tasty too!</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://www.bigmouthstrikesagain.com/archives/1089/comment-page-1#comment-4780</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put it to you that there&#039;s not a person on the planet who eats processed chicken nuggets because they&#039;re cheaper by weight than whole chicken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put it to you that there&#8217;s not a person on the planet who eats processed chicken nuggets because they&#8217;re cheaper by weight than whole chicken.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree - I don&#039;t think it&#039;s all ready meals or takeaways; it&#039;s partly processed, low quality, quick-cook food made out of badgers&#039; nadgers. If you stick to the &quot;value&quot; lines partly processed food is often cheaper than fresh food, so for example a kilo of sausages is a quid (ones not made entirely from testicles start at £2/kilo), two kilos of oven chips is 88p - around 10p cheaper than the equivalent bag of cheap spuds - chicken nuggets £1.50 a kilo (whole chickens are £2 per kilo, or £3ish for a half-decent one), frozen pizzas are 30p-50p and so on. Stick to that lot and cooking&#039;s dirt-cheap, dead easy and heart attack central.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s all ready meals or takeaways; it&#8217;s partly processed, low quality, quick-cook food made out of badgers&#8217; nadgers. If you stick to the &#8220;value&#8221; lines partly processed food is often cheaper than fresh food, so for example a kilo of sausages is a quid (ones not made entirely from testicles start at £2/kilo), two kilos of oven chips is 88p &#8211; around 10p cheaper than the equivalent bag of cheap spuds &#8211; chicken nuggets £1.50 a kilo (whole chickens are £2 per kilo, or £3ish for a half-decent one), frozen pizzas are 30p-50p and so on. Stick to that lot and cooking&#8217;s dirt-cheap, dead easy and heart attack central.</p>
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